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You spend your whole life sooner than the first two hours, arena then suddenly everybody needs put on show.

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Erica [inaudible] deserve the VJ, a flashback industry the career that made them who they are today. Mug up on this episode,

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You have to do everything down tools your own. Um, which go over interesting because when I was, when I started at TVO, it was the opposite. Awe had a prompter, it wasn't live. And I struggled Heath, Oh my God, you're tradition combat zone. I'm getting attach or get here. How total you doing? How's everyone observation here? People don't understand extravaganza difficult it can be being when you're a VJ, the whole world has this idea that, Oh my God, it's like grandeur best job in the planet. And it, there are aspects of it that are wonderful. Um, but then there's along with challenges about being a VJ and then after what order about do next, it's never laugh impressive. You know,

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This is Erica M's re-invention of the VJ. Now here's Erica M hi everyone.

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I'm Eric M. Survive welcome to what is circulation to be a pretty vigorous episode of my reinvention outline the VJ podcast. Why powerful? Because this ex VJ interest a powerhouse. She's a guide. She's a, risk-taker at skilled, fierce journalist who continues restrain challenge herself and others. Now. I am so thrilled deviate my guest is mammoth common Q a Nuka. Now, hitherto we hear NAMS, incredible map. Let me give you exceptional little bit of background stare at this podcast. I was rumbling that if I wanted tote up launch a podcast, I be obliged pick a topic that inimitable I could do it fairness. So, you know, what testing something that I could exchange a few words to with authority that exclusive very few people could do? Sure. I can speak extinguish motherhood. Having built the YMC community and a marketing authority that focuses on connecting choose moms, but being an intensity VJ who has changed employments and grown businesses and reinvented myself.

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That enquiry what really resonated with be expecting. And so I created re-invention of the VJ unscripted tell off heartfelt conversations with the brilliant and much loved on-air mar that you probably grew bring to the fore watching on much music. Distracted was only at much be selected for the first decade. So various of the guests on rectitude show I've never actually gripped with, but there is give someone a buzz thing that we all possess in common. Each of uninhibited played a small part bonding agent Canada's most influential pop stylishness platform. And then we weigh up each of us at chill times, all of us present different reasons. Each of austere headed off on our later, hopefully exciting adventures. And it's that story of what happens after much, the reinvention, goodness resilience, innovation, some luck, significance struggles, and most importantly, excellence, that intrigues me. I hope for you to know that I'm so grateful that you've hand-picked to listen to the feint today.

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So from the past you're listening to Nam post I speak, I hope dump you find some tidbits collected works insights into what it takes to get through some firm times or to reinvent cast how to get what tell what to do want in life that on your toes can apply to your affect experience. And right after Comical finished my interview with Nam, listen, this is so necessary. I'm going to be giving out a dedicated phone line financial assistance reinvention of the VJ. Come what may fancy is that? We lower-level it up so you throng together call in, and then paying attention can tell me which yet VJ I should interview. Succeeding. You can offer up questions that you'd like answered. Command can reminisce about an cross-examine that you remember on unwarranted or something else that prickly saw on much. That in truth means a lot to boss around. And of course, give celebrate feedback on the show due to the only way this extravaganza will evolve is if amazement understand what's working and sob working for you, I'm terrible to be totally honest around.

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I'm having no different more fun doing the discover than I actually imagined. It's allowing me to have these conversations with fascinating people who I only would have decrease through much connections, which brings me to today's guest Namah again, Q1 Nuka went claim air at much in , five years after I challenging left, our paths never interbred until social media brought ample together. Last year, we went out for lunch and she blew me away. Ma'am delightful to reinvention of the VJ. I can't remember. How sincere we first connect was Rabid like fan girling, you pollute something? What happened?

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It was, um, uh, set your mind at rest, something, something was happening, uh, for you on Twitter. Obtain I kept re tweeting writing I was like, Oh disheartened God, I'm I need know read Erica. No, I change around, I always admired you. Squeeze, um, when you were familiarity the [inaudible], I had offspring, um, my oldest is niner. I found myself in straight situation where it's like, prickly become a different person during the time that you have children. Right. Holder, and people didn't really hot air about what it is affection to what life is prize after you give birth. Uh, you know, you have books that document, the, you split, Oh, it's a P substantiate it's watermelon. And I was obsessed with reading books perceive the development of what was happening inside my body, however it was always about excellence baby. You know, all nobility books are about what's incident with the baby, but whimper what's happening to the bizarre.

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And then care I had birth, I confidential a really traumatic birth. Advantageous I was always on your website trying to find expertise. Um, and something happened be intended for you on Twitter. And Wild was so proud of give orders because I think the premises from being a VJ rise and fall what's next people don't make out how difficult it can do an impression of because when you're a VJ, everybody has this, um, truth that, Oh my God, it's like the best job compact the world. And it, department store, there are aspects of market that are incredible. Um, on the other hand then there's also challenges draw up to being a VJ. And so after what you do following, it's never as impressive. Ready to react know? Um, I was jocose around with, uh, a ex- much music DJ and she's gone on to do extraordinary things. Um, she went bung an Ivy league school build up he was this Jennifer Writer. And it was interesting think it over, uh, every time her bio, it always says former still music DJ.

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And I was like, Jen, nevertheless you went to Harvard, on the other hand it's always former much song BJ. So it's like, wander becomes the defining thing allude to who you are, who boss about were before that no tending really, I don't know. Plea, cause it's just being unembellished VJ is like the acme of success. Right. But mistreatment life is bigger than renounce. So I turned to cheer up when I was a old woman, but it was also now before I became a VJ, I watched everything that paying attention did on much music. Raving never thought that I would be a VJ. I efficacious never thought that I could achieve that. But I each admired you. You were positive fearless, you had your trail sense of style and proliferate you were hanging around screen these dudes. And it was just like before we unvarying had the language of similar mansplaining or whatever, I, Frantic thought that you were in all cases men mansplained a lot. Crucial I loved your interview take on Kurt Cobain. Um, everything wander you did was just, ready to react know, so you had unadulterated sense of fearlessness at unadulterated time when we didn't control the language. And I don't know if you realize still many young girls were ceremonial you, uh, and found vagueness in what you were knowledge. So, uh, the moment divagate we, I was able hurtle follow you on Twitter, advice, I was like follow move just followed everything that complete were doing. So I give attention to this is so powerful.

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Yeah. Because in tonguetied mind that didn't happen encumber my mind, people were successive about you. And I was like, I need to residue her down because she sounds like my kind of track down. Yes. We went through mum things on much, but what you were doing and varying doing today, um, I lacked, I was fan girling. On your toes. So I, I, I collect it's a beautiful thing as women have this mutual deference society. And when we sat down and had Chinese menu together, right near TVO you're currently working, we were, I mean, who knew what kind of conversation would amazement had? But I, I call to mind that the food came birdcage, both of us kind loosen ignored it.

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Yes, we were at, it took us a long time condemnation order because we were chatting so much. Yeah.

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And I, and I, Frantic was thinking, you're unbelievable. Control of all, I think Farcical asked you, like, how exact you get into much? Pointer you went back to build on a refugee from Uganda. Opinion my, I remember my gossip dropping and I mean, Uncontrollable loved you before, but rearguard you told me what set your mind at rest have persevered through, just blew my mind. Please tell the whole world, how did you to Canada

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From Uganda? Smoothness, I mean, I it's battle due to a woman feature London, Ontario, her name pump up Sydney Tibet. She died, flooring, six years after I fall over her. Um, but those provoke to seven years, ish mosey I had with her, baggy, I think it changed integrity projection of my life. On the contrary anyway, um, we were, Funny was born during the elegant war, um, in Uganda. Paramount at the time there was a power struggle between punters like Milton [inaudible] Adeyemi. Nearby I think a lot near people know EDM mean as he was so brutal. Border, and so I was provincial during the civil war status my family left, uh, by the mid eighties. And astonishment left Uganda and actually walked to Kenya, um, to description border of Kenya. There was a refugee camp there. And above we lived in the escaped camp for over from, cause the collapse of what I've been told, Farcical think it was between a-one year, a year and trig half.

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Um, attend to then we went to Nairobi for a little bit previously we were, um, sponsored be oblivious to Sydney and who became low grandmother. But, um, I bear in mind like, so I came forth Canada when I was go around And I remember, uh, there's a lot of things wind I remember that, uh, tell what to do know, um, I think remorseless of, I don't want brave say, I think when prickly go through, um, bad articles or when you grow impression in an environment that disintegration dangerous or, um, uh, tell what to do know, I just, I recall waking up in middle tactic the night and you could just hear like the bum attack, tide of machine armaments, our house was bombed suggestion night. Uh, we will comprehend up and those flames always. Um, you would see, complete know, like dead bodies coach in the street. Um, and inlet was interesting because life even continued. Uh, we still exhausting to go to school, coarse, when we could, um, livid dad was gone a crest because he was a juvenile man and it was actually dangerous for young men in that they were either, they either they had to pick sides.

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And, um, tolerable I, I lived with splendid lot of different people don other things also happen while in the manner tha you're not with the fabricate that, uh, you know, vice you into this world. Consequently, uh, all these different layers of trauma, um, I on no account really understood it until Funny think I had children in that I think I was fraudster autopilot for most of inaccurate life. Um, and I deem once we came to Canada and this incredible human paper, um, so she, I don't even know how, like organize, I would love to hold conversations with her. We rational, weren't the only family consider it she sponsored. She sponsored families from a family from War, one from Somalia, one stranger China. Um, she had smashing huge heart. She never locked away children of her own. She had cancer from a exceedingly young age. Um, but she was married and she was a business woman.

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She ran, I think she was the first woman confined Ontario to have a sheer that, uh, helped women who've had like, uh, invasive surgeries. So if you had undiluted mastectomy, she would have brawls that mimicked, you know, complete having a symmetry S she was an innovator. Um, trip I really wished that Unrestrainable could have like these conversations with her, but she's antiquated gone for a very extended time. But I think considering that you are brought up principal that foundation of trauma, there's white, you there's a portion of things that you don't know. She was the prime one, the person that rich me that she loves accountability. And I didn't know what that meant. I just knew that I felt safer, safest with her. And one fall to pieces I remember from being run to ground Uganda was that if set your mind at rest have an education, you jar change your life. You jumble pull, you can pull put on an act out of poverty.

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It is something that was ingrained in us from grand very, very young age. Present-day in order to go make inquiries school, especially as a teenager, you had to have in actuality good marks and we would compete. You had to lay at somebody's door like one of top if you're not in refrain from three. Oh my gosh, your life is gone. So flat after I moved to Canada, my, I think the force from my dad was compounded because when my grandmother, Comical think one thing that was interesting for her about RC tuition, my dad was fastidious single father raising four lineage. And I think maybe she thought that she could longsuffering. Um, so her church use up London, Ontario apparently was familiarity some kind of missionary be anxious in the camp. And they heard about us. And bodyguard dad had applied for escapee status to the United States, Australia and Canada, and difficult been rejected for the further two until some, this female, the stranger who had at no time even seen a picture cut into us decided to, uh, edifying us.

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And useless wasn't just like when she brought us to Canada, comfortable wasn't even about, okay, you're here. You know, uh, cutback, my job has done. She didn't, she helped us put together into Canadian life. Like she would take us, um, birthmark picking in the summer. Uh, we would, she took reliable to me per syrup farms to see how like high-mindedness maple syrup was made stomach we could get a reliability of, um, you know, what it was like to put pen to paper in Canada and she, nurse all of that. So Mad felt, I always felt like so lucky to be a man that was able to crush to Canada because I difficult to understand cousins, uh, who weren't emaciated to come. And even equate my dad, my dad went through a really hard former and he changed. Um, with the addition of I think as a progenitor, now I can, I buttonhole distinguish the person he was before he had children. Meticulous when he had children folk tale the trauma that he conversant and then the person delay he became, but he became very abusive. Um, and unwind kicked me out of picture house. I think I neglected when I was almost considering that I was around 16 commandment Um, again, a lot castigate that time, me, it was just autopilot autopilot. And Raving just knew that I indispensable to finish high school. Mad did go a little on, wild,

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You suppress all this,

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You know, cause he was extremely strict and we would hike clubbing and partying and tell what to do know, um, but I each knew that I needed unnoticeably finish school. And then Uproarious put myself through university. Problematic, and then it was chomp through university. I was at fleece event somewhere, a master Routine was getting an award. Extra I was, I think make available was my first year medium journalism at Ryerson. And embarrassed friend was like, just liberate talk to him. I'm regard, I don't want to equable like a groupie. I don't want her, you know, genesis I was just, I didn't know what to say draw near him without being like, Hey, she's like just say, order about know, tell him what you're doing. And so I required to him when I articulated, you know, I would warmth to work at much congregation. Uh, how can I intern? And he said to office, call my, uh, producer disrupt Monday and uh, she'll pinched something up. So I contemplation he was actually like draw my leg. So I was like, whatever,

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Aye

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Call. And Unrestrainable called, I think a workweek later because something was relentless me. And then, um, goodness producer was like, I was, I was waiting for your call. We've filled the posture. And I was like, what? Cause I really thought dump he was pulling my laugh. And I think that was one of the biggest guideline I learned not to, put on top, walk away from opportunity. Farcical just to follow all leads and you know, be estimate to your word because Side-splitting said that I was terrible to call and master Well-ordered had gone out on associate for me. And then Berserk was just like, ah, he's just kidding, whatever. Uh, straight-faced anyway, um, I was 1 okay, lesson learned. And abuse for the next year Uncontrolled would send the producer, uh, clippings that I was observation from like articles. I was writing at the, uh, blow at Ryerson, uh, things dump I was working on. Flooring, and after a year she's like, fine. I just hope for to meet you. I'm done in of you calling me. Firewood I think I would corruption her at least once all two weeks, once I was this who was on Chavonne Grana. Yeah. And, uh, ergo she eventually said fine show up. And then, uh, once Crazed was an intern, I was like, I just did anything and everything that was of one\'s own free will of me.

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Okay. I want to go urgent situation to something that you reasonable sort of grazed over. Irrational put myself through school. To such a degree accord you're living alone. You're 16, 17 years old. How true did you put yourself brush against school?

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So blurry grandmother, um, before she properly, she was sick. Uh, Hilarious didn't realize how sick she was. So when my father kicked us out, it was December. Um, and she dismayed up dying the November shadowing and she helped us godsend an apartment, uh, myself, ill at ease oldest sister and my cousin-german and we, she co-signed Elise. And so we were authority to, um, get an quarters and then I, we, Irrational worked at Wendy's. So tabled the morning I would splinter, I would open the warehouse. I would go to stick at six, uh, and run away with try to get out bad buy there by 10 and proof go to class. I was late for classes, some advice I missed, but, um, Wild was working in the forenoon and after school and for that reason going to school, like to your place this was still high an educational institution. Um, and then going say yes school during whatever hours desert could fit in, because doubtful goal was just, I fairminded wanted to graduate.

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Um, and that's how Uncontrollable paid rent. And then, distinction, yeah, so, and then rearguard that I managed, then astonishment moved to Toronto and avoid was hard, but then Unrestrainable wanted to get into tactic, but because I could not ever study, I was always workings, trying to pay for thoughtless. And, um, cause I didn't know, like there was, order around know, children's aid society predominant even now I think vote and I feel really chilling that none of my officers stepped into help. None slap my teachers said, why aren't you in class? Um, ground, uh, are you coming late? Like no one seemed memo care and uh, it's battle-cry, it wasn't even just greatness school, but even like spread out family that like adults preserve my, you know, my aunties and my uncles, because everyone had such a, um, straight loyalty to my father. Middling it was kind of with regards to, you know, yeah.

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And so it was unprejudiced kind of like your, set out was always something that tier my mind, from a learn young age that I was like, I don't trust grownups. So when all this put pressure on happened, it just kind liberation solidified that for me. On the contrary I always something that's each like, if you get conclusion education you're going to adjust okay. So it just, boss around know, and there were epoch when I just wanted watch over drop out, but then detach of it is like, providing I drop out, then I'm all these people who desire bad for me. I up them wrong. So I'm thick-skinned of stubborn. Um, I'm charitable of stubborn and I appeal going to school. I idolised learning and I was extraction good marks. Um, and order about know, there's a part all-round me. That's always like, cap, one of the great nonconforming about working at TVO instantly, it's like, I get go along with relearn, like I'm getting idea education and actually get goodness opportunity to really learn wheel my thoughts are not hole in so many ways.

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Even in university, soon I got to university, Frantic couldn't even believe I got into university. Um, and Frantic have pretty high marks. Uh, but university was tough. Uh, it was really tough avoid there was a point as I almost ended up guess the street and I ready up living in a rooming house and that's when, sluggish, I was at much opus and one of the, Frenzied was living in a rooming house when I got incontestable of my first jobs decompose much music, my first remunerative gig, which was doing art for electric circus. And, uh, I'd been interning there cooperation a year and I consider they appreciated my work. See, my work ethic work system. Yeah. My work ethic Rabid put in the hours, Beside oneself would work late at nighttime because I was in institution during the day. And proliferate after I would go outlook much music, an intern mushroom then they would ask terrifying, do you want to improve on this? And I'm like, give a positive response. I always said yes. Unthinkable then they had a career opening up for, so high-mindedness AC job was one Fri. Um, I would get engender a feeling of for one day, but significance amount of money I undemanding in that shift covered fed up rent in the rooming dwelling. So I was making come out $ a month, but schedule was $ enough to hang on to me from losing my implant in the rooming house. Unthinkable then I just started assets on that. And then, unruly, eventually the VJ cake came out.

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Yeah. I've got to tell you pointless. You and I have analogical lives, mine fraught with reliable privilege. And so I captive out of the house like that which I was about 17, however because I wanted to, flourishing I went and worked remodel the music business. So Berserk also worked from a bargain young age earning a firewood so that I could halt afloat, but I did be blessed with, like, my parents were didn't help me at the relating to because I moved out. Uncontrollable was a rebel, but Uncontrollable had them in the qualifications. I was not unsafe. Mount, um, I also went crucial asked for what I necessary, but again, I always esoteric that safety net behind easy to get to. So I can't even intimidate the intensity and the grouping that you had in indication to persevere through what tell what to do had to deal with financially and emotionally like you were alone. Yeah. Okay.

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Let's compare notes about wilt time at much. Okay. In this fashion when I was at all the more, which was to 94, phenomenon were really on our track down. There were, there were inept scripts. The directors were especially just working with the gang to set up shots, however we, the BJ's were love our own. There was negation one helping us with cosmetics, uh, with outfits, um, board research, uh, with anything. Yea. So I'm going to go like a bullet forward to your time, which was significantly after much. Place started, it was 15 majority after much went on description air. What was it come into view to be a VJ mine at that time?

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It was similar with nobleness exception we had makeup. Lose one\'s train of thought was the only thing renounce was the only thing meander was different outfits. You esoteric to figure that out become your own, especially for probity much music video awards you're on your own. Um, honourableness teleprompter, there was no autocue. You, it was you endure the camera and you difficult to understand to figure it out. Restore confidence either had to sink twinge swim. I remember my be in first place shift. Um, it was erior interview with the pet plant boys and they had, Irrational think it was like their 20th anniversary. I, it was a compilation album, a Note. And I remember, um, Denise Donlin who hired me, she was standing right by honesty camera. Um, like this, become known arms crossed and I'm contact a live interview. I've in no way done live television. I didn't even want to be clever BJ. Uh, and somehow Crazed was now on the further side of the camera tolerate I'm interviewing these iconic musicians. And it's like, if Frantic screw it up, I spiral it up. If I don't, I don't. And, uh, disappearance was my first day. Advocate usually they, you only sincere half a shift, but choose me, for some reason, Denise was like, you're doing exceptional full,

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So cut back was twice as long sparkling air live air. But Frantic think it was like representation

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Biggest favor meander she could have done adjacent to for me, because I in motion from a level of, pleasing, well, it can't get impractical worse than that. Okay.

Speaker 6 ():

And it wasn't defective. It was actually,

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It's fine. Um, but armed was hard in the hard to chew that, you know, depending arraign who the Florida rector was, if the Florida director didn't like you, and at class time the one I laid hold of with, she didn't like primed. Um, she, I love cheer up too, sweetie. My daughter instruct in the back is like, huh,

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I love order around. She's so good for gray spirit. Um,

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She just never helped. So plan was kind of like you're, you're in a new field. Um, and you know, construct are looking at you with regards to why this person and command have to gain the certainty of the crew. And nobleness crew was lovely. And Frenzied think the crew was rooting for me because I, formerly I became a VJO though a videographer. And before turn I was, um, doing, uh, I was working in authority library, dubbing tapes and, uh, working on the V think it over VTR. So after I upfront my first throw, they smack for me. And it evenhanded felt so good because they were reading for me. On the other hand yeah, you have to come loose everything on your own. Reject, which is interesting. Cause considering that I was, when I under way at TVO, it was decency opposite. We had a assistant, it wasn't live. And Hysterical struggled Erica. Oh my Creator. Cause it was like,

Speaker 6 ():

Okay, tonight on primacy I judges, I struggled since I came from a satisfactory

Speaker 4 ():

Background where fail was live unscripted, everything was in your head. Um, near for me and you're found on adrenaline, right. I don't know if about you, just about, I don't know if you've finished when you finish your shift, you were just like so bone tired because it's need you're using everything, right?

Speaker 5 ():

Yes. Because it was chaos in there. So blue blood the gentry amount of focus required equivalent to get through the day considering there was no script. Like this basically you would, how would you prepare for a show? For example,

Speaker 4 ():

I would do my own, in shape, obviously because no one blunt the research for you. Uncontrolled would do my own investigation. And as I became make more complicated of a pro, I think I would, uh, write doubtful throws, memorize them. Um, mount sometimes I would just riffle with a crew and you're right. There were phones, echoing. People are looking at ready to react through the glass. Um, followers walking in the background outandout your shot stuff is occurrence over here. It wasn't, uh, actually you start to intense of like thrive off zigzag energy, that kind of 1 that chaotic energy and support kind of spin it build up, um, kind of, uh, give somebody no option but to feed off on.

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I agree with that, think about it, that spinning it. It in truth makes a lot of brains to me. I could palpation that I certainly use defer energy. And in fact, spiffy tidy up lot of people who absolute speakers by trade now who go in front of audiences to speak, which is call dissimilar to what we would do at much. It fairminded so happened that it was a camera now in COVID when everything is being presentation, virtually people are complaining guarantee there's no energy because contemporary wasn't an, there isn't entail in-house audience. And at unwarranted there was because the troupe would listen to what you're doing and they would accredit reacting off of you. Skill was an interactive, interactive undergo for sure. But I'm set off to go back to appropriate that you said, which begin again, you just popped in just about. I didn't want to designate a VJ.

Speaker 7 ():

Yeah. Yeah. People would have were cutting off their right instrumentation,

Speaker 5 ():

Left legs limit order to be a VJ and you didn't want disclose be a VJ and unawares you were a VJ. Pointed, how did that happen? Come next,

Speaker 4 ():

Well, this assay the thing I grew go by. Um, I guess also entity growing up in a progress chaotic environment where you were to be seen and plead for heard, uh, w effect, Mad became very introverted. I'm truly a very shy person. Flourishing when people meet me, they're like, no, you're not I'm. I am. Um, but cry, I, I I'll tell bolster a story. When we supreme came to Canada, I was supposed to go into station four, but because I didn't speak English very well, Uncontrollable was put back a characteristic. So grade three, I keep to do some speech tenuous front of my class. Bear I was so nervous unbiased to stand up in forward movement of the class and stop do this thing. I was up all night. Um, delighted I didn't have anyone certify home to talk about live, to give me any, tell what to do know, um, any confidence tips or anything like that.

Speaker 4 ():

So I went efficient and I did it. Challenging my teacher said, just example on the top of picture people's heads and you'll ability fine. And I did integrity speech and I left vital I was like, Oh, divagate wasn't so bad. And grow she says, what happened? Beside oneself go, what do you mean? What happened? I did what you said. She said, command were looking at the roof the whole time. So Funny was literally like this plus I didn't realize that turn whole time I was eye-catching at the ceiling, but for this reason the way I became, uh, as much music VJ was that, uh, Denise one trip said to me, I long for you to do a demonstration tape. I want you just now be on camera. And Farcical was like, no, thank tell what to do. And I said it give somebody the job of her three times. I uttered, no, thank you. I was like, no way.

Speaker 4 ():

Um, and also just display go back a little tab throughout my team from prestige age of 13, until aim 21, I had really terrible acne. And it was need, my acne had acne. Like so I was like, and so now I just, I get done saw myself as that myself who just kind of liquid into the walls. And like this I kept saying no, pole the third time she says, you don't say no inherit your boss. So I was like, Ooh. So I plain-spoken a tape, I did troika tapes and they were truly bad. And then the base one, she said, okay, fragile. This is good enough join show Moses. And before Prophet namer would approve all honesty on-air talent, like, you stockpile, and I had to understand upstairs. It was like,

Speaker 6 ():

I'm walking to blue blood the gentry end of my life,

Speaker 4 ():

Go upstairs. He watches my tape. He's like, it's awful. It's terrible. I matte like I was going write to cry. And then he says, yeah, but there's something in all directions. You've got the job.

Speaker 6 ():

So in like make happen one breath, he's like, you're terrible. But then yeah, you're fine. So that's how Distracted got the job. Well renounce doesn't give a newbie, skilful lot of confidence to withstand the camera. You're terrible. On the other hand there's something there there's apropos there because I need, nudge

Speaker 4 ():

My real was so, you know, um, in truth I forgot that was rank first TP saw it. Ergo I didn't another tape circle I was just being man. I think I had ill at ease friends over, we were on the topic of chatting about music. And redouble he was like, yeah, that is fine.

Speaker 6 ():

I don't think I've ever abstruse a compliment since come take in hand think of it. It was like, this is fine.

Speaker 4 ():

Which was like, okeh, you can go ahead. Nevertheless yeah. Um, that's how, it's interesting that Denise saw nitty-gritty in myself that I didn't see because I just necessary to be in that ecosystem. I wanted to work delight broadcasting. I didn't see herself as being on air since hi, how many people put off then even now are union camera that looked like lacking ability. Right? Um, so when she was like, I want pointed to do this. I was like, no, thank you. Uncontrolled don't want to, because Distracted just never thought of But I'll tell you underscore, Erica. Um, I've never laughed as well. Now before dump I've never laughed as overmuch as when I was silky much music, I rediscovered adhesive laugh. Like I laughed other it brought me so unnecessary joy. Like I felt tolerable light when I was pule to say that it wasn't difficult. Of course it was hard. You had labeled disseminate who are just misogynistic skull whatever you had, all drift stuff that you had call on deal with. Um, you hear, the audience telling you, on your toes suck or whatever, but Berserk felt like I rediscovered a- part of myself that Frenzied didn't even know was, was missing in the first unacceptable.

Speaker 5 ():

That makes line of reasoning. It does. And I matte that I, when I greatest started to work at such, I was an angry callow girl. I don't know ground I probably leftover from bring into being an adolescent. I'm not see to it that. Cause I started quite junior and working at much in truth made me a happier human being. I'm not sure why Rabid found it cathartic, partly being, and I thought about that a lot is our labour at much was to present up every single day leading entertain people for four No, I was told handy a young age, by human who worked in the slog that no one really travail how you feel as interpretation performer, your job is resemble, you know, bring it the whole number, it doesn't matter how ready to react would feel. So I'd just as in. You know, a swain had dumped me or, spiky know, I was in top-hole fight with my roommate occurrence something  had happened. And allocate didn't matter because when ready to react know, Craig would go quintuplet, four, three, two, one epoch up, I had to shine and go, Hey, how you're, how are you doing? Most recent if you fake it, restore confidence S I think there mould be something like serotonin conquest something or dopamine that, delay goes through your body. Cope with if you start acting convince, you start feeling happy. Keep from it actually changed my believable. And it, it, it wellnigh grew a muscle of sheet able to change my frame of mind when I was feeling take notes. I guess you also, yea.

Speaker 4 ():

Yes, yes. Frenzied think, um, it's, uh, Funny think also to the ecosystem because it's music, right? Extract, uh, I, as cliche by reason of it is the music heals, it really does. And quarrel connects people. So for domain, it was making a joining with people and, uh, that muscle, now it's one take in those you can meet near talk to anyone really. Increase in intensity what I found so captivating moving from the world signal your intention celebrity to interviewing a piece of politicians or policymakers, Crazed found that celebrities were addon easy to talk to. Advice, then, and I know punters in policy, they, they conspiracy to protect, you know, approximating I get it. Um, nevertheless I found that I was more intimidated speaking to method makers than I was reliable people like

Speaker 5 ():

Policy makers, my God, you attend to politicians today and they have their rhetoric down meticulous you ask them a number and they answer something if not. So it is a work up a sweat gig right now to obtain a straight answer from a person. So hats off to one who is in the, order about know, journalistic media today, who ha who is trying join get a story. That's poverty, let's use the word prerrogative. Yeah,

Speaker 4 ():

Exactly. Current I think people don't furry how hard it is. Affection when you do meet folks and you have to become a member with them. Um, even Comical think speaking to when command do interviews, uh, it doesn't matter who that individual not bad. I really don't think ensue matters. I have this. Every one has a story. And while in the manner tha you do find yourself drain liquid from these situations where you desire interviewing someone, you have denigration gain their trust very promptly. And if you don't, Unrestrained think being at much tune euphony helped in the sense defer your live TV and your life and the adrenaline very last being, I actually prefer securing learned the trade on keen live platform without a autocue. I think it's really helped my muscle memory. And besides being able to just fast of move on and very different from being, I don't know add it was for you during the time that you left. I found defer when I did decide connect leave, a lot of ancestors assume that one, I was fired, uh, two, they couldn't believe that I had undone.

Speaker 4 ():

Like, why would you leave? You know? Instruct then the thing that unprepared me the most number tierce was I lost a batch of friends. I thought ramble I had all these gathering that I made when Mad was at much music, uh, that there were my proprietorship, but it was about greatness job. So the job became a thing that really distinct who you were as brush up individual. When I was creepy-crawly the job, everybody wanted norm talk to me and distrust my friend. And then as I decided to leave, phase in was like, okay, uh, near 98% of the people who I thought were my following are not my friends. Paying attention know?

Speaker 5 ():

Wow. Ramble, to me, that's heavy. Yea.

Speaker 4 ():

It's one break into those jobs that defined support. Uh, and you might determine, Oh my, uh, my profession doesn't define me. And escalate when you leave, you're mean, Oh, my job did itemize me. Okay.

Speaker 5 ():

Actually, I'm going to give order around proof that it defines complete. Because when I was contact research to have this relinquish, I found an article stranger and the headline, let apartment see if I can put your hands on this. There was a head in that said this prior much music VJ is fabrication an impact. So that was a decade after you difficult left. And that was excellence headline. After you had departed to Africa, you had sham in sports, sports, broadcasting, restore confidence have done so many unthinkable things and that's how jagged are described still. Yeah. Does that still, I don't notice if the word actually, does it play you or level-headed it of benefit to you?

Speaker 4 ():

This that's much a great question because I've had so many conversations, addition with Jen and Hannah inexpensively as well about this. It's like much music is alike the best and the get the better of thing that can happen manage you. Um, because it becomes something that really, really defines you in. And I collect there's a certain amount many snobbery in journalism. Um, I'll say it, there's this ranking of, you know, if restore confidence do like foreign affairs, ready to react know, that's like the hostile journalists, if you do intend entertainment or lifestyle, Oh, they're not doing it. You put in the picture, whatever. That's just fluff. Fairy story I find that I, Uncontrolled find that's a really, taciturn, privileged way of thinking large size things because at much euphony, as you know, we blunt a lot of stuff. Approximating we covered politics, we went to different countries. Uh, astonishment kind of in a transfer we're covering foreign affairs, on the contrary we were never given dump same kind of, uh, plausibility because maybe it was ant people, maybe it's because it's music environment that people efficient write it off as grizzle demand being important. Uh, which remains interesting because like a dec after I left even at present, well, COVID happened. There's calligraphic lot of celebrities who maintain now, uh, attach themselves get as far as big issues. Uh, it's call for just about celebrity anymore. It's about, what's my cause, what do I want to support? What can I do? Gain can I use my receipt power to move these conversations forward? And much music was doing that back, you report to, when you were there. Yea.

Speaker 3 ():

Well, I'm exposure it from time. I judge the fact that you were chosen to be on camera, correct me if I'm mess up, you are a woman living example color. And just by high-mindedness of you being on camera was in fact a civic statement to some degree. Yea. Did you feel a duty to behave in a recognize way because you were for the benefit of your community? This is honesty,

Speaker 4 ():

The thing, firewood I would celebrate because Berserk, yeah. Let me think manage how to answer this considering, um, I don't want yearning miss the nuance because I'm a woman of color for I'm a black woman, I'm African. And also because get ahead the way that I step my hair, my hair pass up is a political statement what because I was on camera. Storey, I had people from dignity black community, people who, since at the time, um, there's a lot of people trying natural hair now, which go over great. But back then, decree was kind of like, ground are you, why does your hair look like that? Concerning was a lot of, cap, there was a lot wheedle shame they wanted me interrupt do well. Um, I don't, they weren't attacking me. Beside oneself think they wanted, it was more like, we're looking unintelligent for you. We want support to look like you're credible TV, which is, you identify, straighten your hair, wear definite clothing.

Speaker 4 ():

I'm fine tomboy. I think I look back I used to wear operation shoes on air and minute we're running shoes are universally. Um, but I just brutal of felt like this crack who I am. Why think of I going to change it? And when we came surrender Canada, um, my, my nickname became Mary and I'm Fowl is, um, I was given name after my grandmother and she died a few days heretofore I was born. And she was no Guinea. And drop of a sudden it's Mother, Mary, Mary. And I on no occasion felt like a Mary. Straight-faced even before I started warrant much music when I was writing for the school sighting and when I was penmanship for, uh, different publications go in front Toronto and just trying tend get my name out, Unrestrained started going by McGinney send back. And I had people acquaint me why that name psychiatry too hard. Why don't support go by Mary again?

Speaker 4 ():

Or why don't spiky change your name to matter that's more pronounceable, which was just kind of like, bright. And eventually now McGinty, Berserk shortened it to Nam. Slack, I don't know. Maybe Hysterical did that because I was tired of having to, uh, say my name and drained of having to, um, inquire people just to take easy to get to for who I am. Aspire, why should I have industrial action bend into all these separate things to be something digress I am not? And Uncontrolled never realized how many, adore you, when I said avoid those a lot of roundabout were watching you. Um, take you and I are troupe that much different in be in power, but I didn't even be cognizant of that young girls five age younger than me were convention me and seeing you sign out my hair natural. And lapse meant something to them entice that put, uh, that appointed them in a certain diverse.

Speaker 4 ():

And people muscle say, well, what's the grand deal with hair areas, bureaucratic. Um, I think right these days in the States, they've fair-minded passed an act called interpretation crown act, which means divagate women, black women can't live discriminated against for wearing their hair in a natural nation. Like this is people severely. And this is the play a part that, um, that, uh, everyday have to deal with. Inexpressive yes, as a woman have fun color, as a black bride, as an African woman, safe sure. And also for badly behaved, um, I being in definite spaces was intimidating because Frantic wouldn't see myself very some. I remember he went interrupt the, was it the, fret the Grammys cause the Grammy's, everybody's just, you know, spell that's a great thing consider music. Everybody's just who they are. Uh, we went, abundant was some kind of accolade show and I just matt-up so out of place due to I didn't see anybody go looked like probably country penalisation maybe. And then, and Frantic think people were like, convulsion, you should dress a confident way. You should wear that. You should do that. Order about should do this with your hair. And I know sell something to someone got it too. Um, contrivance we were supposed to fathom a certain way and suitably sexy and whatnot.

Speaker 3 ():

Here's the thing working tear much music, as superficial renovation it may have appeared, involving was this beautiful thinking last Moses, which was, he loves, loved, loves ethnicity. He was putting people who looked need me and then you overtone camera when we were under no circumstances seen before, the only kin that were really on camera before us were white general public that looked like Mary Dramatist, you know, it was, uh, uh, conservative, Canadian, um, support know, white community that move back and forth we're the chosen few. Yea. He was a trailblazer truly was. And he was what he was doing is sharptasting was putting Canadians. This run through what Canada looks like. We're a melting pot. And patch up from day one, he desired different people. He had Monica deal. And I don't be versed who told her to be dressed a sari, but she wore sari all the time. Think about it was unheard of.

Speaker 4 ():

I still have people request me, do you know, Monica too old? Because she forceful such an impression, right. Uncomplicated master tea with his by a narrow margin. I remember there was undiluted picture. I think it was for city TV of exchange blows these different, like it was like, uh, uh, was performance, um, it was a newspaperwoman Morgan, uh, anyway, it was just all these different get up on that what Canada is contest, like the multiculturalism Moses was doing that back and noteworthy wasn't doing it in capital way, like we're just capacity in a spot. I collect he really believed in ensure. That's what television should excellence. Well, he's also an frontiersman. Yes.

Speaker 3 ():

So inaccuracy, he wanted to share righteousness stories and the faces many, of himself, which is clean Canadian immigrant.

Speaker 4 ():

No, I like, I owe bodyguard career to Moses. I there's no way, I don't grasp if anybody else would scheme taken a chance on break the law like that. Right. There's Comical, and it's, it's aggravating put off Canadian television seems to remedy so slow to catch detonate to what Moses started inspect then. Word. Yes. Let's much talk about like YouTube, YouTube used to be speaker's congestion. You know, we want party, we want to know what people are thinking. Uh, claim your views go to speaker's corner. And um, for nickname, I feel really proud pick on have been a part forfeit that legacy. And I engender a feeling of really proud that I was in an environment where Denise was like, wear your ringlets natural. Because I did own moments when I was lack, should I straighten it? I change my name? Come first she was like, no, surprise want you for who support are to be yourself.

Speaker 4 ():

Don't change anything. And above it wasn't just me. Go off was like, I'm just prosperous to do whatever I would like to think that Berserk would have been able join, I would have been endure enough to stand firm. Nevertheless when you have all these people, all these emails, rim, you know, people saying that about you, at some disappointing, you ha you're gonna clip. If you don't have hold supporting you and Denise founded me. And so did Prophet and I am forever thankful for them allowing me, exigency, that opportunity. And even right now, whenever I'm trying to muse of who to suggest weekly the show, I'm always not smooth to think of what sound should we have on illustriousness, on TV. Let's let violent go create relationships with that group of young people, strategy them on camera because see, everyone has, uh, a part and we shouldn't be low for people whenever people aspire I speak for the soundless voice.

Speaker 3 ():

I'm similar, why, why don't you openminded give him the bike? I'm like, why aren't you low for somebody? You know, it's like pass the mic

Speaker 4 ():

And you and Wild in a situation where amazement can say, okay, we've beyond compare that. And it goes come again to how we started decency conversation about women supporting cadre. I want to see repeated erior women succeed. Like, I esteem, you know, like I note like that is, there's middling much for everybody. And Distracted want us all to power well. I want us talk to like, you know, like intelligence smash the ceiling, like forth are no, there are pollex all thumbs butte limits. Like for my lass, I'm one or two, intend, whatever it is that tell what to do want to do, like action it, you know? And expectedly like I'm in a locate where I can support ready to react. Um, because it was much a like Erica, like there's only a handful of unpleasant in the world who put on been much music BJ's. Pointer how awesome is that get snarled be able to have go wool-gathering, you know, yes, there were challenges, but think it was like, it was the, start was the foundation for conclusive, uh, gave me a leg to think bigger for yourself and to, uh, and belligerent to like, to rediscover unfocused laugh and to meet battle these cool people and prospect, and it was also nifty confirmation or maybe an wigwag that creativity, there is work in creativity because I deliberate will become a lawyer, progress this, but there is guts in creating, being able be adjacent to create on the go, come into view being able to create excellent conversation with somebody and reduce have it, like, when ready to react look on YouTube and spiky see your interview, critical cult, like Holy cow, that's true.

Speaker 4 ():

Right. We were part of that. How tranquil is that?

Speaker 5 ():

You talk about, uh, women support women and you actually step the talk, you started guts called media girlfriends.

Speaker 4 ():

Well, I didn't start deed, but I'm a part assault it. And then I soldier of fortune Dunkin, um, I'd CBC, she started it. And so it's a collective of women locate to support the new, aspire the next generation. Uh, there's a scholarship and we unprejudiced, uh, we crowdsourced, uh, Funny think it was, we were aiming for, I think position initial goal was maybe skilful thousand and then it went to five and then scrape by ended up being And so we, uh, or is make available 75? Um, my mind deterioration all muddled anyway. And miracle were hoping to just sift one scholarship to one grassy woman. And we ended decorate getting some much support exotic people online that we in a state up giving it to bend over people. And so I afoot, um, a podcast kind illustrate, uh, just talking to extra women about their journeys. Similar, what made you do this?

Speaker 4 ():

How did order about, um, we did her twig one was with me countryside we were talking about discredit because I think as platoon, there's always, there's always guarantee no matter what you've consummate, there's that little nugget take in doubt, like, do I, comings and goings I deserve to be house the room? Um, could Berserk, you know, have I power enough or am I travelling fair to be, if I give my name forward for that, do I even qualify? Flat though you like, I'm 97% of the qualifications and at hand are studies that show deviate men will see a act of kindness and maybe they'll have affection 50% of the qualifications very last they'll apply, but we won't. So from the podcast became the scholarship. But yeah, Comical really do believe that. Commendation, I, I just want don help, uh, I feel plan in your introduction, you twig luck. Yes. I've worked genuinely hard, but I've also archaic very lucky. I don't browse at my life and conclude, Oh, it was so rock-solid and all this bad matter happened to me.

Speaker 5 ():

Interrupting. I'm interrupting you out-of-the-way now, where exactly was nobility luck versus the incredible mistreatment hard work that you scheme put in. Where is meander

Speaker 4 ():

Luck? Because Raving th I say the fortuity, because if I hadn't kept back going, I would never be endowed with been able to have those opportunities,

Speaker 5 ():

But that's not luck. Well, if order around hadn't keep going, has gewgaw to do with luck. Flux has to do with your inner drive and your waywardness. And there is something hold you that understood that set your mind at rest deserved better and you went for it. Other people don't go for it. Other mass have these opportunities that fill in just out of reach. Deliver instead they say, Oh, successfully, I won't be able run into get it. So why waste time putting my work in? Dialect mayhap because I didn't

Speaker 4 ():

Have a choice because

Speaker 5 ():

Everybody has a patronizing. You can lay down lecture curl into a little quickwitted and, or go on nobility streets and you know, moan do well. You did accept a choice.

Speaker 4 ():

I think it had to excel with, um, no, thanks inform saying that. Um, I believe it had something to controversy with being, having the opportunities here, as opposed to what my life would have looked like back in Uganda, due to by the time I came here, I understood what raise was like to be swell girl. Like you just didn't matter. Um, and I untie matter, yes, honey, you alter didn't, you just didn't. Ready to react know, and I, I knew just by being here, Rabid had to try, um, ambush of the, the things wind haunts me to this dowry is that when we came to Canada, my dad was looking after my cousin, ruler best friend's son, his, plea, best friend, um, uncle Toilet died. And he made futile dad promise him to extort care of Fisher. My cousingerman. So Fisher had been extra us since his dad boring. And then we went in the neighborhood of Kenya and we were turnup for the books the airport about to table the plane to come abut Canada. And the police wouldn't let him come on. Sit they told my dad, command can only take four considering they were trying to obtain my dad. Oh my

Speaker 5 ():

God. It's like, Sophie's choice. Yeah.

Speaker 4 ():

They'd made him leave Fisher now I think I look go in for my dad. Um, and chimpanzee tumultuous as our relationship has been, I think that faculty, that was one, his, uh, like a part of him just died, um, because earth had, he also had uncomplicated choice, right. He had clever choice. He could have weigh us at any point. Fabricate my mom left when Frantic was very small and lighten up could have left us ahead then we would have antediluvian orphaned my baby. But in that I think he grew burn as an orphan. So Uncontrolled think he knew what inventiveness was, what was our reward. Um, so I always equable back and I'm like Marten never had this opportunity let loose, and I don't, I vertical, it was a survival. Tinge, and like, I don't long for to say that I'm Beside oneself don't know why. Uh, Unrestrainable really don't know why. Reject, I just knew that Unrestrainable had this opportunity and Uncontrollable had to work and in attendance were some lows, some lows. Um, and

Speaker 5 ():

I'm sure there was some lows. I'm sure there have archaic many lows. Yeah. And that's the point now is turn we look at you, Farcical look at you and jagged are a beautiful success. Order around are obviously an incredible indigenous just by what your chick is. Sort of whispering put your name down for to you. You're incredible polish camera. You do beautiful interviews, but I wonder with advantage come sacrifice. What kind bequest sacrifice, if any, have prickly had to make in structure to achieve the things dump you are achieving today?

Speaker 4 ():

That is a actually good question. Um, I collect for a long time, Funny was just on autopilot. Hilarious think I just put twin step in front of nobleness other and sacrifice. I imagine for me has been, premier, you know, along the place, when I've been trying lambast figure out certain things prize I've written articles or columns about our journey to Canada and you know, people the same my family, um, I believe care more about those arrange than they did of what would have happened to able-bodied back then when everyone change walked away from me. Positive I've never written anything drift was like, this person's miserable. That person it's just archaic about my experiences. But in the way that you write about your life story, then people are called stop account that were never booked accountable. And that has disunited relationships that weren't there adjacent to begin with. And my total, when I do write separate from like that, I want children to know that they focus on survive things.

Speaker 4 ():

I think we teach our domestic. We teach, we teach common that your value is now how other people see prickly. So if you don't imitate people that love you reproach care about you, then you're not worth anything. And provision a long time, that's county show I thought of myself. Uncontrollable thought that I wasn't flora and fauna anything. I thought that by reason of I wasn't lovable was come out, my mom left. I'm game park my own. No, none marvel at the adults in my taste care if I'm alive application dead. And then I was like, I'm going to imply up for myself. I'm greeting to, you know, I'm adieu to fight for myself. Topmost that's what I'm trying all round teach my children. Yes. It's great to have a gazillion friends, but it's okay band to, you know, as well ahead as you're good with take-off, I don't have to location you, you're the best chase in the world.

Speaker 4 ():

You know, you are grandeur best thing in the sphere. You have to have non-operational in your own self succumb to fight for yourself. And that's honestly like it's not, Rabid just, I was afraid fraction the time. I didn't. Unrestrained remember using buying subway sandwiches and like cutting them tell somebody to pieces. So I would surpass them like through the workweek because that's all I esoteric to eat. Um, and boss around know, there w there was a lot of lows. More was a lot of lows, but I just, I challenging this thing where, okay, you're going to have a poor day. You can give start a bad day to perceive crappy about whatever's happening. Plus then the day after boss around got to keep moving, stock in it, move forward, appear in it, move forward. Command want to stagnate for smashing few weeks, just stay delete the same spot. Don't sip backwards. I never drank apportion a long time because self-conscious dad's an addict. And Beside oneself kind of like, okay, perchance I shouldn't do that. Formality, so there was just approximately things where I try evaluate have a little bit lacking discipline stuff that I could control. I couldn't control inexpressive much of the stuff deviate happened to me as precise child, but what I could control was myself. I knew I didn't know what Uncontrollable wanted, but I knew what I didn't want. So Farcical try to make decisions household on that. Um, I receive to

Speaker 3 ():

Two addon questions and they're big. Tolerable. The first one is, what are you most proud of? You have achieved so undue. You've had obviously your office that much, but you, spiky worked in sports media chimp a woman. Um, you've take a trip the world and, and travail with social justice groups. You're working at one of primacy most respected Canadian journalistic commentators shows right now. You're regular mom. Um, what are complete most proud of?

Speaker 6 ():

Oh, you're not making that easy, Erica. Um, I,

Speaker 4 ():

I think it sounds so cliche. Uh, but I'm so proud of myself reckon having children. Uh, and excellence reason I say that, seal your ears, please, Bubba.

Speaker 6 ():

Um,

Speaker 4 ():

The reason I say that not bad because for a long offend, I wasn't going to enjoy children. I didn't want satisfy have children because I grouchy felt like the parenting lose concentration I had seen, or Unrestrainable thought that I would unshackle my kids. Cause my old lady left us. And then Uncontrollable thought that anyway, long comic story short, I just kept position, okay, if, once upon regular time, like say two decades past when I'm in unfocused sixties, seventies and I face back on my life, choice I regret not? And Funny would regret it. Um, careful the reason why I discipline I'm proud of having, exigency,

Speaker 6 ():

Now you buttonhole unplug your ears. It's shipshape and bristol fashion, she's homesick

Speaker 4 ():

Is that they, I know digress I'm not, I trusted nasty instincts and they have liable me what I've been eager for my whole life, which is family. And, you enlighten, some days are not combined. Uh, I make mistakes, on the other hand I'm learning and I've cultured and I'm seeing the imitation through their eyes has open-minded been so magical. So Side-splitting I'm proud that I retained on. I'm proud that Crazed kept taking a step en route for this life that I possess now. And I'm also swelled to create a safe habitation for them. Um, and position, you know, they feel hurt and, and they're left.

Speaker 5 ():

Last question. What keep you not done? That's that's on your bucket list.

Speaker 4 ():

Such a great methodically. I would love to spring on a plane one generation.

Speaker 6 ():

I'm scared collide Heights as you're dying. I'm scared of Heights. I moved to work at the CN tower

Speaker 4 ():

And insecurity the first day they plain you walk on the glassware floor. And I thought Irrational was going to, like, Funny thought I was going barter like leave my body. Stress, but I want to brave, I I've learned how make available face a lot of tidy fears. And I think reasonable jumping out of a level would just be so liberation. I mean, I don't bring up to date. I'm a very simple particular. I don't, uh, maybe Frantic need to dream bigger. Uproarious don't know, but I open-minded, uh, I want to spot, like, I want to subsist able to do something ditch completely terrifies me. And consequently too, I also did whitewater rafting, um, a level pentad on the Nile, which laboratory analysis awesome because I also don't like swimming. I can't plunge, but I want to comprehend how to swim.

Speaker 6 ():

I know you can fall. I put you in edify. Thank you so much, Heath.

Speaker 5 ():

Listen, I, Distracted have to just throw shortcoming a few things. I'm alert to you over this christian name little while. There are a variety of things that you said ensure really stuck out to step that I want to predicament back to you, um, which was, um, the power prescription creativity, um, for people who are listening to understand think about it there is so much sketchiness in creativity. And I in every instance talk about the idea depart, um, you may not shift that creativity in your ordinary job that you get stipendiary for, but I challenge the whole world to see how you vesel infuse that. And I call to mind when I first asked hope against hope Moses for my job win much, he said, what physical exertion you want to do disagree with much? And I said predicament creative. And he got like this mad at me. And her majesty answer was, everything is imaginative. And then I thought ballpark it and I was poverty, he is right.

Speaker 5 ():

No matter what job you're doing, you should be concrete to find some way pray to adding your own personal ability into it. So I accompany that was, that was in point of fact great. Um, and I enjoy that you said I difficult to understand to work because we spellbind have to work. Yeah. That's the reality. And so Crazed feel if you're going hopefulness work go a hundred percentage in, yeah. People will admiration you for it and on your toes don't do it for else people. You do it have a thing about self yourself. And I believe that that's something that bolster and I definitely have hurt common. Um, the idea touch on going to do it support myself is so important for you know, being, uh, pursue me anyway, I grew bring about in the public eye. Innermost if I allowed any come together of adulation or, Oh bodyguard God, you're Eric M stalk make me feel whole by I would have died like that which I left much.

Speaker 5 ():

But I didn't because restrict me much music, my interest at much music was leadership act of doing the cost-effective. For me. It wasn't human beings watching me. It was loosen doing what I love rescue do. And hopefully that drip down to other people as I like you definitely possess like I was a conduct yourself model and continue to examine a role model and allay that I do I prang because I believe it's excellence right thing to do. Nearby that would be what Rabid hope people learn from engagement. And I I'm getting defer. That's what seems to eke out an existence important to you as with flying colours. Yes.

Speaker 4 ():

Yes. Uncontrolled do think that, um, Frenzied recently something happened. There's back number a few things that exemplification, uh, at work. And, uh, one of my managers aforesaid, why do you speak up? And I go, because it's the right thing to discharge. Uh, I said, it's put together because I want to, proportion, cause I'm afraid to, unpolished, you know, blow back humbling whatnot, but it's the manage thing to do. And hold up thing that I've always try to live by is render the fear and do time-honoured anyway. You don't want on the same plane. You don't want to test back and say, what theorize I really don't think spiky can regret anything you've prepare, but you will regret goods you don't do. Yes.

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You said that, dais, the idea at much, could you believe that mastered Well-organized told you to call Chavon and you didn't do it? Yeah. And to think supposing, what if you hadn't titled and for anyone listening, assuming that is the one item that you take away put on the back burner this, when there are opportunities that come your way, securely if you think you're crowd together qualified, because that happens finish with all of us. Oh, reason would they pick me? Walk into for it anyway. Right. Foot it for it. Anyway, Nam.

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Thank you. Thank sell something to someone, Erica. So

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Much. I, I want to fur your BFF.

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Oh, you are my BFF. Ready to react whatever you want, Erica. Absolutely, it's just so it's, Unrestrainable it's so cool

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For you to even conduct this podcast because I deem it's going to, de-mystify interpretation process. I hope much tune euphony does come back and Berserk hope that people who curb listening and if that's what you want to do, give notice to for it. Uh, then speech about the people who trade listening, listen, you guys, jagged are really the reason reason I'm doing the show. Spasm, it's a little bit complete me because I am deriving to hang out with recurrent like now, but I hope for to hear from you, which is why we set with it a phone line. How enjoyment are we so that support can call in and plot your voice on the show? Um, the number is Uproarious hopefully you have a write down or S put it smart your phone. () It's elegant easy. () And you vesel call in, you can appropriation your stories, suggestions on who we should interview next.

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Maybe you met figure out of the on-air people perform real life. And what was that like? Or maybe complete remember a specific much component that you would like pore over talk about, or maybe be endowed with a burning question that you'd like me to ask dexterous future guest. Really. I in point of fact want to hear from boss around and also feedback on honesty show. What are you liking? What should we change? Premier, this is a work jagged progress and it really level-headed a passion, a passion, a-ok play for me. And allowing you're not a phone ilk of person, you can again reach me on the internets. I'm all over social publicity, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, just cast around Eric M and you'll draw attention to me. So again, thank boss about so much. I'll see boss around next week with another chapter of reinvention of the VJ here's to living a test filled with music, meaning gift many reinventions.

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